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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.whatwouldmattdo.com/2007/08/14/hardcore-players-are-just-more-organized-well-more-organized-those-other-hardcore-players/comment-page-1/#comment-39477</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 20:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr. Grumpy, er Statistics,

How stupid am I...that&#039;s a question for the ages. Many scholars have pondered this question and no answer has yet been found.

On to the rest of your oh so lovely post where you play fast and loose with the &quot;facts&quot;.

First, those numbers on the left top are not defined anywhere. Are those the total player scanned? The total players raiding? The total players that have raided? Don&#039;t quote empty fucking number at me and then tell me I&#039;m stupid. Really, if you can&#039;t be more civil and less of an internet jackass, you&#039;ll just have to respond to yourself.

Second, and this my favorite, over and over I&#039;ve argued as if the numbers you&#039;ve quoted me are real. I&#039;ve said, if these numbers are real, lets break it down from there. And did so. I&#039;m sorry you&#039;re unable to comprehend my arguments (40% of the population != majority, number of 70th level characters doesn&#039;t determine how many people have reached 70th level).

Third, you&#039;re taking numbers out of context and applying horrible statistical calculations to them to back up your arguments. That&#039;s not only silly, it makes you seem ignorant. For example, X 70th characters doesn&#039;t tell us how many actual people have reached 70th. I&#039;m betting you yourself have more than one 70th level character. Most of the people I know that play WoW often have more than one.


So, again, even with your suped up numbers from some random site on the internet (an interesting site to be fair), your arguments don&#039;t hold up upon further scrutiny. So, shush it.

Ever yours,
Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Grumpy, er Statistics,</p>
<p>How stupid am I&#8230;that&#8217;s a question for the ages. Many scholars have pondered this question and no answer has yet been found.</p>
<p>On to the rest of your oh so lovely post where you play fast and loose with the &#8220;facts&#8221;.</p>
<p>First, those numbers on the left top are not defined anywhere. Are those the total player scanned? The total players raiding? The total players that have raided? Don&#8217;t quote empty fucking number at me and then tell me I&#8217;m stupid. Really, if you can&#8217;t be more civil and less of an internet jackass, you&#8217;ll just have to respond to yourself.</p>
<p>Second, and this my favorite, over and over I&#8217;ve argued as if the numbers you&#8217;ve quoted me are real. I&#8217;ve said, if these numbers are real, lets break it down from there. And did so. I&#8217;m sorry you&#8217;re unable to comprehend my arguments (40% of the population != majority, number of 70th level characters doesn&#8217;t determine how many people have reached 70th level).</p>
<p>Third, you&#8217;re taking numbers out of context and applying horrible statistical calculations to them to back up your arguments. That&#8217;s not only silly, it makes you seem ignorant. For example, X 70th characters doesn&#8217;t tell us how many actual people have reached 70th. I&#8217;m betting you yourself have more than one 70th level character. Most of the people I know that play WoW often have more than one.</p>
<p>So, again, even with your suped up numbers from some random site on the internet (an interesting site to be fair), your arguments don&#8217;t hold up upon further scrutiny. So, shush it.</p>
<p>Ever yours,<br />
Matt</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Statistics</title>
		<link>http://www.whatwouldmattdo.com/2007/08/14/hardcore-players-are-just-more-organized-well-more-organized-those-other-hardcore-players/comment-page-1/#comment-38671</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Statistics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously - how stupid ARE you, Matt?

How on EARTH are you missing the section on the MAIN PAGE OF &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wowjutsu.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WOWJUTSU&lt;/a&gt;, RIGHT BELOW THE LOGO, where the EXACT NUMBER of players spidered by the site through Blizzard&#039;s own US and EU Armory are displayed? For your reference, that number is currently:

Last Refresh: 08/30 7:42 AM GMT
# Total Players: 1589774
# Total Guilds:	39289 / 15916 Horde / 23292 Alliance
# Ranked Guilds: 28692 / 12593 Horde / 16099 Alliance

That&#039;s over 1.5 MILLION players recorded from Blizzard&#039;s Armory tool in the US and EU that currently have raiding gear. Out of a total of 3.5 million players overall in the US and EU, &lt;a href=&quot;http://http://www.blizzard.com/press/070111.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;also directly from Blizzard&lt;/a&gt;. 

Also, in that Blizzard link, they tell us that there are over 2 MILLION players in the US. According to Warcraft Realms - a very long-standing and respectable survey site - their in-game data spider shows that there are &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php?serverid=-1&amp;factionid=-1&amp;minlevel=70&amp;maxlevel=70&amp;servertypeid=-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;over 2 million level 70 characters on the current US realms&lt;/a&gt;. As I pointed out before, that&#039;s a max-level character for EVERY SINGLE player in the US. That means that very nearly every player account has access to the end-game, and 40% of all players are actively using the raid content.

With this information in hand, Blizzard obviously expects that very nearly EVERY player who plays the upcoming expansion will have at least ONE level 70 character; for the 2 million US players, there are already 2 million level 70 characters - and that number of level 70 characters is only going to grow larger in the many months to come until the next expansion is released. Therefore, they ARE creating content for almost 100% of the player base by adding an additional 10 levels to the cap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously &#8211; how stupid ARE you, Matt?</p>
<p>How on EARTH are you missing the section on the MAIN PAGE OF <a href="http://www.wowjutsu.com" rel="nofollow">WOWJUTSU</a>, RIGHT BELOW THE LOGO, where the EXACT NUMBER of players spidered by the site through Blizzard&#8217;s own US and EU Armory are displayed? For your reference, that number is currently:</p>
<p>Last Refresh: 08/30 7:42 AM GMT<br />
# Total Players: 1589774<br />
# Total Guilds:	39289 / 15916 Horde / 23292 Alliance<br />
# Ranked Guilds: 28692 / 12593 Horde / 16099 Alliance</p>
<p>That&#8217;s over 1.5 MILLION players recorded from Blizzard&#8217;s Armory tool in the US and EU that currently have raiding gear. Out of a total of 3.5 million players overall in the US and EU, <a href="http://http://www.blizzard.com/press/070111.shtml" rel="nofollow">also directly from Blizzard</a>. </p>
<p>Also, in that Blizzard link, they tell us that there are over 2 MILLION players in the US. According to Warcraft Realms &#8211; a very long-standing and respectable survey site &#8211; their in-game data spider shows that there are <a href="http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php?serverid=-1&amp;factionid=-1&amp;minlevel=70&amp;maxlevel=70&amp;servertypeid=-1" rel="nofollow">over 2 million level 70 characters on the current US realms</a>. As I pointed out before, that&#8217;s a max-level character for EVERY SINGLE player in the US. That means that very nearly every player account has access to the end-game, and 40% of all players are actively using the raid content.</p>
<p>With this information in hand, Blizzard obviously expects that very nearly EVERY player who plays the upcoming expansion will have at least ONE level 70 character; for the 2 million US players, there are already 2 million level 70 characters &#8211; and that number of level 70 characters is only going to grow larger in the many months to come until the next expansion is released. Therefore, they ARE creating content for almost 100% of the player base by adding an additional 10 levels to the cap.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.whatwouldmattdo.com/2007/08/14/hardcore-players-are-just-more-organized-well-more-organized-those-other-hardcore-players/comment-page-1/#comment-38660</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sweet and lovable Mr. Statistics,

Call me silly, but I don&#039;t see anything on Wowjutsu that backs up your claims. I could easily be missing the links. Again, I&#039;m not saying you&#039;re wrong, but I&#039;m saying, if you&#039;re right, do LINK TO THE ACTUAL FUCKING PAGES WITH THE NUMBERS. :)

But again, assuming your numbers are right, as I did in my above post, even though now they&#039;ve gone from 40% have raided at some point to 40% are now actively raiding, Blizzard is releasing content for 40% of the user base. Which is great, and maybe the business sense says, release new content for the upper 40%. *shrugs*

But, I&#039;d think, that if 60% of your user base hasn&#039;t reached the end game, you&#039;d maybe want to throw them a bone or three when you add on to the game. The last expansion gave that some minimal effort with new starting lands and allowing restricted classes now used by the other side. The next expansion? Nada.

So, again, if you&#039;re numbers are right, do link some pages that prove that, mkay? And if they are right, they still lead to questions of why you have 60% of users getting nothing new from an expansion...if you&#039;re Blizzard, you do want them to buy that expansion, right?

M</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sweet and lovable Mr. Statistics,</p>
<p>Call me silly, but I don&#8217;t see anything on Wowjutsu that backs up your claims. I could easily be missing the links. Again, I&#8217;m not saying you&#8217;re wrong, but I&#8217;m saying, if you&#8217;re right, do LINK TO THE ACTUAL FUCKING PAGES WITH THE NUMBERS. :)</p>
<p>But again, assuming your numbers are right, as I did in my above post, even though now they&#8217;ve gone from 40% have raided at some point to 40% are now actively raiding, Blizzard is releasing content for 40% of the user base. Which is great, and maybe the business sense says, release new content for the upper 40%. *shrugs*</p>
<p>But, I&#8217;d think, that if 60% of your user base hasn&#8217;t reached the end game, you&#8217;d maybe want to throw them a bone or three when you add on to the game. The last expansion gave that some minimal effort with new starting lands and allowing restricted classes now used by the other side. The next expansion? Nada.</p>
<p>So, again, if you&#8217;re numbers are right, do link some pages that prove that, mkay? And if they are right, they still lead to questions of why you have 60% of users getting nothing new from an expansion&#8230;if you&#8217;re Blizzard, you do want them to buy that expansion, right?</p>
<p>M</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Statistics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Statistics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you miss the link I included to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blizzard.com/press/070111.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Blizzard&#039;s Press Releases&lt;/a&gt;, where they explicitly state the number of players in each region?

Did you miss the link the earlier person posted to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wowjutsu.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wowjutsu&lt;/a&gt;, where their easily-navigated site explains in detail how their system spiders the US and EU Armory sites?

Do you not know about sites like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.warcraftrealms.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Warcraft Realms&lt;/a&gt;, which have been tracking realm populations for over two years now, and currently indicate that there are over 2 million level 70 players in the US realms? (Remember: Blizzard themselves stated that there are just over 2 million players in the US - that&#039;s a level 70 for each and every single US player!)

I&#039;m not sure how much simpler I can make this for you. A full 40% of the player base is not only at level cap, but is actively raiding. This means those players have probably consumed nearly all other Player-vs-Environment content in the game. You and yours, by contrast, have obviously not. You never even made it to the original level cap. There is a massive amount of extremely accessible content in the game you still haven&#039;t seen. Given limited development resources, who are you going to develop new content for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you miss the link I included to <a href="http://www.blizzard.com/press/070111.shtml" rel="nofollow">Blizzard&#8217;s Press Releases</a>, where they explicitly state the number of players in each region?</p>
<p>Did you miss the link the earlier person posted to <a href="http://www.wowjutsu.com" rel="nofollow">Wowjutsu</a>, where their easily-navigated site explains in detail how their system spiders the US and EU Armory sites?</p>
<p>Do you not know about sites like <a href="http://www.warcraftrealms.com" rel="nofollow">Warcraft Realms</a>, which have been tracking realm populations for over two years now, and currently indicate that there are over 2 million level 70 players in the US realms? (Remember: Blizzard themselves stated that there are just over 2 million players in the US &#8211; that&#8217;s a level 70 for each and every single US player!)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how much simpler I can make this for you. A full 40% of the player base is not only at level cap, but is actively raiding. This means those players have probably consumed nearly all other Player-vs-Environment content in the game. You and yours, by contrast, have obviously not. You never even made it to the original level cap. There is a massive amount of extremely accessible content in the game you still haven&#8217;t seen. Given limited development resources, who are you going to develop new content for?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.whatwouldmattdo.com/2007/08/14/hardcore-players-are-just-more-organized-well-more-organized-those-other-hardcore-players/comment-page-1/#comment-38525</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr. Statistics,

If you&#039;re going to call my numbers bunk, the ones I pulled out of my ass, and insult me so greatly (the pain!), please leave links to backup your information.

That being said, taking your numbers at face value, Blizzard is STILL making content for the minority of people. 40% is still a minority in the math I know. The overwhelming majority number you posted is nice, except that&#039;s not an actual number. It&#039;s a figment of your imagination until you provide some proof.

I&#039;m not saying you&#039;re wrong, but for a guy calling himself Mr. Statistics, you sure aren&#039;t backing up your statistics with actual information. I did say my numbers were complete guesses and I stand by that.

And does the Armory only reflect EU and US servers? I didn&#039;t know that...

Honestly, I&#039;d love to find out your numbers are real, just because then I&#039;d have something to go off of when I&#039;m trying to figure out wtf Blizzard is doing.

Looking forward to hearing from you with links,
Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Statistics,</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to call my numbers bunk, the ones I pulled out of my ass, and insult me so greatly (the pain!), please leave links to backup your information.</p>
<p>That being said, taking your numbers at face value, Blizzard is STILL making content for the minority of people. 40% is still a minority in the math I know. The overwhelming majority number you posted is nice, except that&#8217;s not an actual number. It&#8217;s a figment of your imagination until you provide some proof.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying you&#8217;re wrong, but for a guy calling himself Mr. Statistics, you sure aren&#8217;t backing up your statistics with actual information. I did say my numbers were complete guesses and I stand by that.</p>
<p>And does the Armory only reflect EU and US servers? I didn&#8217;t know that&#8230;</p>
<p>Honestly, I&#8217;d love to find out your numbers are real, just because then I&#8217;d have something to go off of when I&#8217;m trying to figure out wtf Blizzard is doing.</p>
<p>Looking forward to hearing from you with links,<br />
Matt</p>
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