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	<title>Comments on: This is so wrong I kind of thought EA would release a statement saying it wasn&#8217;t true. (updated)</title>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.whatwouldmattdo.com/2008/10/30/this-is-so-wrong-i-kind-of-thought-ea-would-release-a-statement-saying-it-wasnt-true/comment-page-1/#comment-149783</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I agree. Plus, I don&#039;t know that people that can&#039;t handle themselves on forum (i.e. - not act like assholes), should lose the right to play the game they purchased. EULA or not, they did pay money for that game. If EA wants to cut them off from playing it, they should at least reimburse them for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I agree. Plus, I don&#8217;t know that people that can&#8217;t handle themselves on forum (i.e. &#8211; not act like assholes), should lose the right to play the game they purchased. EULA or not, they did pay money for that game. If EA wants to cut them off from playing it, they should at least reimburse them for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris F</title>
		<link>http://www.whatwouldmattdo.com/2008/10/30/this-is-so-wrong-i-kind-of-thought-ea-would-release-a-statement-saying-it-wasnt-true/comment-page-1/#comment-149780</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe it Matt. I can definitely see a trigger happy CSR being unfair the OTHER way. The only way to make it &quot;fair&quot; would be to have the EA forums have a mini popup with the key rules each time you visit a forum. Not with the full TOS for the forums, but the main key points that will get you banned.

Because I know how much you love having to scroll and click when accessing things. *grin*

Strike the first comment, actually, because there will never really be &quot;fair&quot; on a company owned and moderated forums, which, back to your original article, sucks.

As an aside we both know that there are jerkoffs that will fly off the handle and deserve to be banned because they lack any sort of tact or social etiquette, but just like EA&#039;s famous DRM, it is the legitimate users that tend to get screwed in EA&#039;s &quot;efforts&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe it Matt. I can definitely see a trigger happy CSR being unfair the OTHER way. The only way to make it &#8220;fair&#8221; would be to have the EA forums have a mini popup with the key rules each time you visit a forum. Not with the full TOS for the forums, but the main key points that will get you banned.</p>
<p>Because I know how much you love having to scroll and click when accessing things. *grin*</p>
<p>Strike the first comment, actually, because there will never really be &#8220;fair&#8221; on a company owned and moderated forums, which, back to your original article, sucks.</p>
<p>As an aside we both know that there are jerkoffs that will fly off the handle and deserve to be banned because they lack any sort of tact or social etiquette, but just like EA&#8217;s famous DRM, it is the legitimate users that tend to get screwed in EA&#8217;s &#8220;efforts&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a fair amount of your devil&#039;s advocate points are pretty good... Except, I&#039;ve heard of people being banned from the EA forums for even bringing up the DRM issue. So if they were to post about how much it sucks, they could get banned from every EA game they bought.

It&#039;s not like EA is kind and understanding in any other area, so I can&#039;t assume forum management would be any better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a fair amount of your devil&#8217;s advocate points are pretty good&#8230; Except, I&#8217;ve heard of people being banned from the EA forums for even bringing up the DRM issue. So if they were to post about how much it sucks, they could get banned from every EA game they bought.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not like EA is kind and understanding in any other area, so I can&#8217;t assume forum management would be any better.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree it is dumb. There are a couple &quot;devil&#039;s advocate&quot; arguments that while kind of weak (please note I am ADMITTING that before bringing them up) do have a level of validity. 

1) TOS/EULA&#039;s are *typically* available online before purchase. Not that anyone would read them before buying anyway, (or read them once they are bought) but that is the counter argument to the pre-purchase TOS/EULA woes.

2) I am supposing you would have to be a really, really big asshole to get banned off the forums in the first place. Being anonymous on the internet isn&#039;t a free pass to treat minimum wage customer support personnel like they are pieces of skunk terd. If you treat them like a piece of shit, because you are mad at EA, then you deserved to get banned. If you break forum rules on purpose, then yes, you should get banned. It really isn&#039;t that difficult to get a point accross without regressing to a complete jackass, and typically, if you try it being polite, logical, and intelligent, CHANCES are (big emphasis on &#039;chances&#039;) your issue will get resolved faster and by much happier people. Send your Steak Dinner back after yelling at the waitress and they will spit in your food. Politely explain the issue about the steak and it gets fixed right.

The blurred line here is consumer right to product VS service. We buy stuff, we want to be able to use that stuff - because, hell, we BOUGHT it. Seems as though video games aren&#039;t commoddities any more, they are being treated as &quot;services&quot;, and since it isn&#039;t a necessary service for survival it can be yanked at anytime.

Buyer beware, and you would think EA would have learned by now. I still think it is a vocal minority taking big issue with this (although it should be a vocal everybody) and obviously EA isn&#039;t too worried about it.

Prediction: All games from EA in the future move to an account/authentication model as their only form of DRM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree it is dumb. There are a couple &#8220;devil&#8217;s advocate&#8221; arguments that while kind of weak (please note I am ADMITTING that before bringing them up) do have a level of validity. </p>
<p>1) TOS/EULA&#8217;s are *typically* available online before purchase. Not that anyone would read them before buying anyway, (or read them once they are bought) but that is the counter argument to the pre-purchase TOS/EULA woes.</p>
<p>2) I am supposing you would have to be a really, really big asshole to get banned off the forums in the first place. Being anonymous on the internet isn&#8217;t a free pass to treat minimum wage customer support personnel like they are pieces of skunk terd. If you treat them like a piece of shit, because you are mad at EA, then you deserved to get banned. If you break forum rules on purpose, then yes, you should get banned. It really isn&#8217;t that difficult to get a point accross without regressing to a complete jackass, and typically, if you try it being polite, logical, and intelligent, CHANCES are (big emphasis on &#8216;chances&#8217;) your issue will get resolved faster and by much happier people. Send your Steak Dinner back after yelling at the waitress and they will spit in your food. Politely explain the issue about the steak and it gets fixed right.</p>
<p>The blurred line here is consumer right to product VS service. We buy stuff, we want to be able to use that stuff &#8211; because, hell, we BOUGHT it. Seems as though video games aren&#8217;t commoddities any more, they are being treated as &#8220;services&#8221;, and since it isn&#8217;t a necessary service for survival it can be yanked at anytime.</p>
<p>Buyer beware, and you would think EA would have learned by now. I still think it is a vocal minority taking big issue with this (although it should be a vocal everybody) and obviously EA isn&#8217;t too worried about it.</p>
<p>Prediction: All games from EA in the future move to an account/authentication model as their only form of DRM.</p>
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		<title>By: JasterMereel</title>
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		<dc:creator>JasterMereel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you may understate the issue a little. To say that they &quot;ban people from any online component of their games because of getting banned from a forum&quot; omits the fact that with their invasive DRM, ALL games that check with EA before starting up would break. It&#039;s not just that you couldn&#039;t play it online, you may not be able to play it at all.

This may be a small distinction in the shadow of such a draconian policy, but their invasive DRM makes it an even larger problem than it would otherwise be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you may understate the issue a little. To say that they &#8220;ban people from any online component of their games because of getting banned from a forum&#8221; omits the fact that with their invasive DRM, ALL games that check with EA before starting up would break. It&#8217;s not just that you couldn&#8217;t play it online, you may not be able to play it at all.</p>
<p>This may be a small distinction in the shadow of such a draconian policy, but their invasive DRM makes it an even larger problem than it would otherwise be.</p>
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